Comments on: The Effects of ECMAScript 4′s Abandonment on Pedagogy of Rich Media Development Languages http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/ Design, Development, Technology and My Life. Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:30:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Chad http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52631 Chad Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:20:59 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52631 @Lars, Thanks for the comments and the clarifications on WaSP. I appreciate being set straight! @Lars,

Thanks for the comments and the clarifications on WaSP. I appreciate being set straight!

]]> By: Lars Gunther http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52619 Lars Gunther Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:15:20 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52619 @Doug C: I've heard that class-based objects are critical to speed on mobile platforms. Even if they are not off the table for Harmony, they for sure have been postponed and that is a *substantive* loss - even if they can be emulated using protype based inheritance. Speaking from a pedagogic point of view, they are also very nice when teaching ECMAScript to serve as a bridge between languages. @Doug C:

I’ve heard that class-based objects are critical to speed on mobile platforms. Even if they are not off the table for Harmony, they for sure have been postponed and that is a *substantive* loss – even if they can be emulated using protype based inheritance.

Speaking from a pedagogic point of view, they are also very nice when teaching ECMAScript to serve as a bridge between languages.

]]> By: Lars Gunther http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52618 Lars Gunther Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:11:24 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52618 For the record. W3C and WaSP are separate entities. W3C has no "Dreamweaver Task Force". WaSP had. It is now renamed "Adobe Task Force". (I am a member of the Educational task Force.) WaSP had a DOM Scripting Task force, but is is not active anymore. Its purpose was to educate about best practices (unobtrusiveness, capability testing, progressive enhancement, etc) and was not charged with working on the specs. WaSP is more about helping browser and tool vendors implement the specs and the general public following them when developing web sites. For the record. W3C and WaSP are separate entities. W3C has no “Dreamweaver Task Force”. WaSP had. It is now renamed “Adobe Task Force”. (I am a member of the Educational task Force.)

WaSP had a DOM Scripting Task force, but is is not active anymore. Its purpose was to educate about best practices (unobtrusiveness, capability testing, progressive enhancement, etc) and was not charged with working on the specs.

WaSP is more about helping browser and tool vendors implement the specs and the general public following them when developing web sites.

]]> By: Douglas Crockford http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52607 Douglas Crockford Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:48:03 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52607 This statement, “it‚Äôs only fitting that the behavioral layer‚Äôs future get neutered in order to serve MS and stagnate the web again,” appears to be based on some misinformation. Let me set the record straight. ES4 had a very long and extensive feature list, but it did not include testicles or any other form of genitalia. It had a lot of other stuff, but somehow it didn’t have that. The features its did have would not have allowed you to do anything that you won’t be able be able to do in ES3.1. You have not lost anything substantive.

]]> By: RansomWeaver http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52606 RansomWeaver Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:31:49 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52606 What about a sniffer that demands flash player when it detects something other than Firefox? That's no worse than where we're at today.... If the flash player can load content written for Mozilla Tamarin, It puts the onus on the browser devs to bring their product up to standard or fall behind. What about a sniffer that demands flash player when it detects something other than Firefox? That’s no worse than where we’re at today…. If the flash player can load content written for Mozilla Tamarin, It puts the onus on the browser devs to bring their product up to standard or fall behind.

]]> By: Harry B. Garland http://visualrinse.com/2008/08/15/the-effects-of-ecmascript-4s-abandonment-on-pedagogy-of-rich-media-development-languages/comment-page-1/#comment-52590 Harry B. Garland Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:12:41 +0000 http://visualrinse.com/?p=399#comment-52590 What if Mozilla and Adobe both implement Tamerin anyway? You could just tell developers that if they are willing to create a Firefox-only web application, they can use a much better language than the one used by Internet Explorer and Safari? Why should everybody suffer just because 2 companies are too big and political to innovate? What if Mozilla and Adobe both implement Tamerin anyway? You could just tell developers that if they are willing to create a Firefox-only web application, they can use a much better language than the one used by Internet Explorer and Safari? Why should everybody suffer just because 2 companies are too big and political to innovate?

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